JAMIE: How paradoxical that the bible nowhere gives itself the authority, rather it gives authority to the Church?
The Church which Protestants -of whom are many Sola Scripturists- claim is invisible. How can the Church be invisible if we are also to go to it to settle our disputes?
They ask for scriptural proof while completely overlooking the fact that the bible gave the authority over to the Church, not itself.
Answers and Views:
Answer by Deep Thought
A bit of an oxymoron don’t you think?
The RCC believes in that “doctrine.” The universal church is invisible, but visible in the LOCAL church, and not greater than Sacred Scripture! Wise up!Answer by youthpastor1955
Show me where.Answer by Jack (Catholicism is the Truth)
Fundamentalists and Protestants are just so ignorant, there’s no use trying to debate with them. They don’t understand logic.Answer by jweston2
God’s words are authoritative by nature.Answer by ignoramus_the_great
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
The Bible is God’s word. That is authority enough for me.Answer by Spareribs22
We are the church. If you have a dispute, you would go to those you hang with daily since the church met in homes daily and ask about what to do. It was not an invisible church , it was hidden during the persecution.Answer by JP (Jan)
Authority is given to the Church.
Who is the head of the Church? Christ
Christ is the Word which became flesh so the Church is subject to the “Word”Answer by witnessofJesus
how convenient to figure this out.
it is more true to say that the bible has no authority because it, the letters (epistles) contained in them declare that: “no man takes this honor unto themselves” except _ like unto Aaron through Moses by the calling of God and the laying on of hands.
that is if we are to fully expect that Moses had the TWO priesthoods spoken of and described in the book of hebrews, i think ch. 7, then no preacher that says they get authority from the bible is actually a preacher who has authority, and what mankind has done, is usurp the Holy Ghost in the idolatry of following their bible, their torah and the koran.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
Mathew 17″Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished
The Bible doesn’t give the church (ekklisia) the authority it only gives it a purpose Acts 2:42
Ekklisia is gathering/assembly, what makes it church is that it is gathering in Christ, church are the people. The Bible gives instructions in Timothy about the purpose and selection of deacons/pastors and the role of individual parts in a universal body can be found in 1 corinthians 12.
What bible are you reading?Answer by rockorock
Is it true that there is good in all religions?
Most religions do teach that a person should not lie or steal, and so forth. But is that sufficient? Would you be happy to drink a glass of poisoned water because someone assured you that most of what you were getting was water?
2 Cor. 11:14, 15: “Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness.” (Here we are cautioned that not everything that originates with Satan may appear hideous. One of his chief methods of deceiving mankind has been false religion of all kinds, to some of which he gives a righteous appearance.)
2 Tim. 3:2, 5: “Men will be . . . having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.” (Regardless of their outward professions of love for God, if those with whom you worship do not sincerely apply his Word in their own lives, the Bible urges you to break off such association.)Answer by AbdALLAH
Can you be more specific by giving us a concrete example?Answer by Messenger of God
I think they are missing the point. The authority over the Church was given from Christ to St. Peter. I hate to tell the Protestants this, but their was no written Bible after Christ ascended into heaven and placed his Church into the hands of his Apostles. There were Codexs (Manuscripts) written, but that wasn’t until the 2nd or 3rd centuries, which of course later on during the 4th century under the bishops of the Council of Trent became the Latin Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodoxy Vulgates (Bibles).
And so I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates to the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
“Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.” He said to him, “Lord, I am prepared to go to prison and die with you.” But he replied, “I tell you Peter, before the cock crows this day, you will deny three times that you know me.”
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He then said to him a second time, “Simon, so of John, do you love me?” He said to him,” Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everthing; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.Answer by Bibleboy
I think your question is too vague. But understand the WORD church actually may refer to different things. It’s like the word “YOU.” It can be used as singular and plural.
There is church… which is invisible since it’s more like a BOND between brothers and sisters in Christ. They make up the church. And this gathering has been referred to as the “body of Christ.”
Then there’s the church as in like.. the building and stuff or the organization is a political term sense. That’s pretty much the whole dispute settler, etc. Although they both end up REFERRING to the same group in different ways, this is important to distinguish.